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#222510 - August 13th 2008 9:47 pm Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150?
Reed Offline
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Registered: August 27th 2001 12:00 pm
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Working on my brother's 83 Dodge shorty van. He needs upper and lower ball joints on both sides. Anybody have any tips or trick to make this less painfull? Do I really have to pull the lower control arm?

Thanks.
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#222527 - August 13th 2008 11:58 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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Don't pull your lower control arm too much! They say it'll make ya go blind! rofl


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#222532 - August 14th 2008 12:24 am Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: CatFish]
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Registered: May 24th 2006 12:00 pm
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i had upper and lower done on my 86 dodge, plus front end alignment for $500 three years ago. so i understand why you want to do it yourself.

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#222535 - August 14th 2008 12:42 am Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: 86ed]
Reed Offline
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Registered: August 27th 2001 12:00 pm
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Nice one catfish.... "It's like a baby's arm holding an apple!" ;)

I think i am just going to have a shop do the uppers tomorrow and call it good. I am in the middle of yet another free major tune-up for my brother and I need to be working on other things. The lowers look okay, but the uppers are definitely gone.
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#222562 - August 14th 2008 6:56 am Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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The uppers are threaded and can be a real pain in the arse. That's why I don't do balljoint work...I let someone else feel the pain.
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#222569 - August 14th 2008 7:31 am Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: NateNCBV]
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Registered: October 25th 2001 12:00 pm
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They are a pain to get out. There is a special soket that is really hard to find and is very expensive if you can find it. When I changed them in Lions den, I had to heat the control arm with a torch also, even with the socket. It is nearly impossible to get anything else on the ball joint to get them out.
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#222631 - August 14th 2008 12:01 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Superbeast]
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I think I actually have the special socket buried somewhere in my garage, but I am loaning my air compressor out to my great uncle so he can do some roof work. No air hammer for me. If the local Napa has the upper joints in stock then I might just do it myself. I will just dig out my four foot cheater bar!
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#222638 - August 14th 2008 12:36 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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Four foot cheater bar + Hulk Hogan. smile
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#222647 - August 14th 2008 1:11 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: NateNCBV]
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If you leave the arm on the van and use a 4' cheater bar it may come out. The last time I did a set I made the mistake of removing the arm from the van first. I was changing the bushings too. I almost ripped my workbench off the wall.
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#222650 - August 14th 2008 1:15 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Superbeast]
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Don't worry, the arm is staying on the van.

Nate, I'm not 6'4" and weigh 300 pounds for nothing! I lift weigths and work out almost every day. Hulk Hogan could probably kick my ass, but I can probably manage to get these ball joints out.
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#222662 - August 14th 2008 2:01 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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Registered: February 06th 2006 12:00 pm
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I'm not a big fella (5'7", 128lbs at the time), but a good breaker bar, still attached to the van, and a 2 1/2' cheater bar got mine done curbside one afternnon. Next afternoon for the other side. Always use teh 3-n-1 household oil to put them back in as you can't do it without using cutting oil...
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#222664 - August 14th 2008 2:21 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Natural_State]
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Thanks for he tip about the oil!
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#222672 - August 14th 2008 3:03 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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I'm short, but wide..5'10" 328 lbs. I would have nothing but dead weight to put behind that breaker bar. LOL!
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#222679 - August 14th 2008 4:01 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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Registered: November 16th 2003 12:00 pm
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Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
Be careful having a shop do the uppers. I had a shop do a set for me, and they pressed them out, ruining the a arm. I went nuts looking for another set.

When I got the new set, I changed them out myself. The socket is 3/4 drive, so I just got a 1/2" adapter and a bigass bar, and did it right on the van. A 4' pipe makes it easy work.
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#222683 - August 14th 2008 4:21 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Boot]
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I would've made it the shop's problem looking for A-arms. Aren't mid-Dodge upper arms the same as the ones from the 80's-90's??
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#222719 - August 14th 2008 7:49 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: NateNCBV]
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Registered: August 27th 2001 12:00 pm
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Loc: Fircrest, WA
Nope. Starting in 79 Dodge vans went to a passenger car style alignment system and the upper A-arms changed.

Got my balls joints today ($50), went and bought the pecial socket ($43). I figure that I will be able to do it for far less than a shop would have charged me, plus I know it will be done right. But with my luck the cheater bar will slip off the ratchet and bean me in the forhead right when I bear down to get the ball joint out. I will get knocked unconscious and lay there and bake in the 90 degree sun, getting sunburned, until I wake back up and try again.... WHEEEEEE!
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#222732 - August 14th 2008 9:16 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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Registered: September 13th 2005 12:00 pm
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Another trick is to warm the arm up around the ball joint pretty good with a torch and then, right as you're ready to use that socket, shoot the ball joint with freon. It'll contract some and be easier to break loose.
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#222816 - August 15th 2008 1:48 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: CatFish]
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Registered: August 27th 2001 12:00 pm
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Torch? Freon? Those are pretty sophisticated tools! I just have brute strength and ignorance working for me right now....
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#222843 - August 15th 2008 4:34 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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Registered: August 27th 2001 12:00 pm
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Loc: Fircrest, WA
Success! I got home from court this morning and spent about 2 hours and got it done. Now for the test drive to see if the popping noise from the front right tire is gone.
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#222847 - August 15th 2008 4:56 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: Reed]
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Registered: July 13th 2004 12:00 pm
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Loc: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
Great! I'll crack open a cold one for you tonight, Reed! Enjoy the ride!

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#222854 - August 15th 2008 5:37 pm Re: Quick, cheap, easy ball joint replacement 83 b-150? [Re: sasktrini]
Reed Offline
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Registered: August 27th 2001 12:00 pm
Posts: 8081
Loc: Fircrest, WA
There is still a rattle, but I think it is the brake caliper. Whew....
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