A bro in law of my boss just put the Banks 6 pack tuner in his new F350 6.0 and has blast runnin mustangs and corvettes on street. Plus its a hoot to see him smoke the duals for 50 feet or so <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I removed my fan and shoud on my 351. Mounted two late model Tarus two speed fans in their place behind a older model 4-pass big block rad. I cut the mounting tabs off and stood the fans on end and made a mounting frame. Had to upgrade the alternator to a 130 amp 3G and add a second battery. Also installed two 10" pusher fans from Aspires for extra air flow to the A/C condenser when I'm sitting still.
I spaced the grille out about a inch and everything clears.
Finding room for power distribution, fuses and relays has been a headache. If I had to mount an intercooler????
Runs cool inside and out. I've never used high speed on the fans even in 95 plus temps.
Could a smaller liquid cooled intercooler (water to air heat exchanger) be used in a setup with a diesel? Would it cool enough to be of any help?

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Good question?

Here are my thoughts, Not an expert! Air cools faster than water. Wate needs to be cooled before it can cool the air. Average temp of water in an engine 185 degrees. Air coming into Rad usually under 100 degrees.

Also to do this you would need a box to run a (water) coil or mini-rad into to be able to blow the turbo air across.

If it can be done using the A/C box it may work better that an intercooler though.

<small>[ July 05, 2006, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Superbeast ]</small>

Yeah,,well you won't have to use engine coolant. A separate liquid cooler would be smaller and could use an electric pump.
But then any exchanger for the air would slow the air flow and defeat the purpose.
What about the propane injection I've read about? Would that help Starlords 6.0? Expensive I'd guess!
Or maybe water injection?
I wonder what those big John Deere combines use for boost.
I saw a hot rod diesel do it's thing not to long ago. It was raw torque and damn near scary to see a big dually move like a pro stocker!

<small>[ July 05, 2006, 10:33 PM: Message edited by: CatFish ]</small>

Propane has been proved to work, but that's just one more fuel to buy.

I still don't really understand the water injection thing. I have a setup that someone gave me years ago to use on my racecar, but never installed it, cause it doesn't make sense to me.

I know a guy with a Dodge pickup. He added a comp. chip, a big exhaust, and one of those 'Air Flow' air cleaners and got 500 Horses at the rear tires. He had it Dyno'd and printed out the results, cause he didn't think anyone would believe it.

I know all the Mustang and Camaro's believe it when he blows them away tho!

Anyway, that may be the best place to start.

I asked a tech at my Ford dealer, he said u can de-program the PCM, and then re-program it as an excursion or F seris and gain 20 hp. He said a dealership may not do this for u unless u know the tech, but u could by the programer. I do know there are constant updates to the pcm, so that is somthing u would have to stay on top of from that point on, if u programed it as an excursion, u would always have to update it as an excursion.

I was told by a guy once that you can program the diesels to do almost anything, you can adjust horsepower, shift points and all. He said you will start to go through parts tho. He also didn't tell me how, not sure I need to know, at least right now. Someday I would like to put an intercooler, larger exhaust and twin turbos on my van, but right now I just want to get the body mods done.

Speaking of intercoolers ........

I don't think I am going to go that route on mine because I can't find the time or motivation. Moving towards retirement next year and selling the house will only make matters worse.

Having decided that, I have a brand new - still in the box Banks Engineering Intercooler with all hookups for the 7.3. This should be a bolt on for FORD Excursions or pickups. Vans would need to change the intakes over to pickup style to make it work.

Anyone interested? I'd like $250 for the complete kit.

On the re-programing issue. My Microchips Supertuner does just that. You hook it up to the diagnostic port under the dash and choose either off road high performance or towing/medium performance. It then saves your current programming and installs the upgrade program.

Doing it this way you must remember to restore back to stock program each time it goes in for service. If you don't and the dealer updates the programming, overlaying the Superchip version you are out of luck.

Once you have used the Microtuner to upgrade your vehicle it can not be used again except to restore that same vehicle back to stock. Then it can be used again on another vehicle. If the dealer overlays the Microtuner's upgrade program your tuner will not get a match with what it put on and will not do an upgrade on it or any other vehicle.

<small>[ July 12, 2006, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: BoneHead ]</small>

I may be interested in the intercooler. We can talk about it at the Nats.